UCLan SU Decides: Should We Work With YBD Again?



The Students’ Union is to hold a referendum after more than 250 students signed a petition saying they should be allowed to work with club promoters YBD.

A motion was passed by the Students’ Council in 2012 that prohibited dealing with the company after they released a booklet titled “The Official Student Guide to Preston”, containing material deemed to be “offensive” and “misogynistic.”

The guide said: “Girls, If you’re out and about at 10am wearing heels and an outfit that leaves little to the imagination you might as well be wearing a sandwich board with the words WALK OF SHAME scribed all over it… or prostitute.”

It continues to advise male students that “if you’re bringing a girl home she’s probably going to be as clean as your room…”

The motion that was passed meant that any related dealings with YBD would be discontinued until at least an apology was submitted by the company. In December 2014 a formal apology was presented to the SU.

Students Rob Micklethwaite and Emili Peake are heading the campaign ‘Lift The Ban’, who have also carried out the petition.

In a joint statement they said: “YBD has paid enough for their indiscretion and now the sports and societies who would have had sponsorship are struggling.”

Emili and Rob both argue that although the motion from 2012 states it will remain in place “as long as they keep producing sexist material”, they insist YBD has now come clean.

SU President Lee Mac is all for the referendum, agreeing that it’s time students made the decision on whether they should work with YBD again.

“I think it’s good that students are actually engaging with it,” Lee told Pluto, “It gives them pathways to talk about it, and to understand what’s happening.

“It’s up to students to make their own choice, and that’s what democracy is all about. “

A referendum will be held alongside the SU leadership elections, between 16th-20th March this year. A meeting will also be held for students to debate the vote beforehand.

You can read a full copy of the original motion, how to vote on the referendum and YBD’s apology on the SU website.
SU Media will be covering the referendum closely across Frequency Radio, PSTV and on the Pluto website.

Tweet us at @UCLanPluto using the hashtag #LiftTheBan with what your thoughts.

63 Comments on UCLan SU Decides: Should We Work With YBD Again?

  1. The ban should remain. YBD are an awful promotions company who go around lying and deceiving new students. Last Freshers I overheard two of their reps attempting to sell tickets for MACs on the welcoming Sunday, their reps told the students that MACs was the biggest club in Preston and the official welcoming party for UCLan. Both lies. Do you really want a promotion company who goes around taking money from students leaving them with false hope?


    • Hi Bob Im Colin the YBD/MACs General Manager, The welcome Sunday This year wasn’t actually Promoted by YBD, it was a Foam Party Promoted by another Promotions Company Future Club Nights, so Im confused because my YBD Staff didn’t have any tickets to sell for this event?!? It was Promoted by the other Promo Company as the Official Welcome Party.

      your argument about MACs Not being the biggest Club in Preston, our Combined Facebook Pages have over 30,000 Likes Macs get 1200-1500 People every Saturday night Bank Holidays hitting 1700-1800, the Promo Staff are hardly Lying!

      anyway your entitled to your opinion I just wanted to clear afew thing up and maybe when the Ban Gets Lifted you never know you might even enjoy a Drink at Ships and MACs 🙂

    • I’d like to point out that the YBD promotions team for freshers was Outsourced to future UNI and not YBD staff members.
      I’m glad someone is taking a no stance, there will be a call for students who want to represent those views publicly – keep an eye on the SU page.


  2. Macs and Ships and Giggles are fantastic nights out, this ban is now old news and needs to be lifted !!!! cheap drinks and offers are in place !!! the venues are mostly student orientated and we cater for them to the best of our abilities !!! we love YBD, now you should too !!!!


  3. As a Social Sec of one of the newest society that was offered a lot of money from YBD, which we couldn’t take and instead had to borrow the money which we now have to pay back, something which could have been avoided, avoiding debt and they also offered us a place to train free of charge. In terms of socials, this company EASILY gives out the most to societies and sports and I know a lot of societies that would also back up what i’m saying. Snowsports for example, went to ships a few weeks ago, messaged the manager a few days before after i informed him and they had been offered drinks deals all night. I regularly have my socials here because we get so much free stuff, offered booths and the YBD keyrings give you such good extras.

    As a student, i think its ridiculous YBD cannot sponsor societies and sports! it is putting them at a disadvantage. I remember reading the article in my first year of university and while i did not find it personally offensive (pretty funny actually..) i understand why it could have caused offence. HOWEVER YBD have accepted their actions were wrong and YBD are being penaliSed when places like Rumes (Mokai) were still okay after that bounce by the ounce video? and a bouncer at Evoque set somebody on fire.. Evoque is the same company as Cameo also.. so basically Luminar’s (cameo/evoque) bouncers set a person on fire but thats ok?

    As a YBD worker, and i have no reason to say this other than it is the truth, YBD is a company ran for students by students. We aim to get a cheap night out for students, a safe environment with the nicest bouncers i’ve ever met who want to look after people and want to make sure everyone is okay and feeling safe. I completely understand MACs might not be everyones cup of tea as a night out but pubs like Ships and Giggles which is a versatile environment is also suffering with people being warned away from anything YBD. The people that work for YBD are students, the managers were students, we want what is best FOR STUDENTS. As for ‘Bob’ MACs is one of the biggest clubs in Preston..whether you wish to believe it our weekends and Thursdays speak for themselves.

    What people need to realise is YBD is not struggling without an affiliation with the university, YBD wants this affiliation back to give back to students as it did before when it was the sponsor for a LOT of sports/societies offering great incentives such as holidays!

      • I’m fully aware of that, some of MACs bouncers also work in evoque and cameo what i’m saying is that YBD produced an article which has lead to this uproar with the ban being put into place, somebody was set on fire in evoque, but that seems to be fine. YBD ban is in place for ships, MACs and before it closed, Blitz, but Evoque and other Luminar places (Cameo) seem to have gotten away with a lot worse. Also the general manager can choose who they want to work within their clubs, whether or not it is the same company.

    • “As a Social Sec of one of the newest society that was offered a lot of money from YBD, which we couldn’t take and instead had to borrow the money which we now have to pay back, something which could have been avoided, avoiding debt and they also offered us a place to train free of charge.”

      Out of interest why did you have to borrow money, could you have not approached another venue in Preston for sponsorship like most other clubs and societies? While the ban has been in place, I don’t understand why a club would get themselves in financial difficulty rather than look at the other sponsorship options in Preston who also provide free spaces that could be used. As well as the Students’ Union allowing clubs and societies to use the 53 Degrees space for training at no charge and supplying grants at the beginning of the year provided you can give valid reason such as needing equipment. It just seems clubs have hindered themselves by not using there initiative once the easy option of YBD sponsorship was gone.

      And in terms of the other clubs in Preston, I see you addressed Bob’s point about the bouncers and Rumes closed after that event and was taken over by a new owner and new management so the SU would have no reason to impose similar sanctions.

      • We did also approach other clubs within Preston and lots of other companies and also set up a funding page and a Thunder clap to try and get sponsorship also. We tried a lot of ways to get the money and YBD was the only club willing to sponsor us as we were and up and coming society (now one of the biggest) ..
        We do now train at 53 free of charge but we needed the money before we could train as the money for for equipment. And Mokai, even though taken over by a new owner then started a night called ‘Girls drink Free’ which if we’re talking about sexism I think it also very sexist.

    • As an ex-student who was a member of the FemSoc when the publication that got them banned was issued, here’s my take:

      We recognised at the time how tough this would be on clubs. I was running the fencing club and with one of the smallest memberships of any sport we knew exactly how big a task it was to find financial support anywhere other than YBD – especially when your sport’s rules prevent you from putting their logo on your kit. However all sports clubs and societies have a responsibility to reflect and uphold the values of the SU and university. The fencing club voted on this and decided that we could not put our wallets ahead of our ethics.

      I believe the right thing to do is to ask the same question now: will association with YBD contradict the ethical responsibility to have a union that is free from misogyny (and any other kind of bigotry)? If you genuinely believe that they have learned their lesson and can be trusted to behave in keeping with the values above, then by all means vote to lift the ban.

      I am no longer a student so I have no vote in this place, but I would want something a little stronger than just their “won’t do it again, honest guv” word before I would consider voting that way. I don’t think Preston is the worst town around for female students but I’d really like to feel that it’s moving in the right direction rather than being dragged back.

  4. we go here on socials on the time with umc, always get loads of free stuff and never had any problems i think its a joke this ban hasn’t been lifted sooner

  5. As the social sec of dance club I can only speak highly of the YBD team and management.

    Both macs and ships and giggles have offered us so much support over the year helping us fundraise money working together to create events for students.

    Management are so on hands and always there for whatever we need. They currently allow us to rehearse in macs for free which is Absoloutly amazing and we couldn’t be more grateful.

    On top of all this it is a fantastic night out and offers so much for students.

    Don’t punish them for the past..


  6. I go to Macs all the time, never have any trouble except once when i guy kept grabbing my arse and i told the bouncer and he removed him straight away when he saw i was distressed, didn’t drag him like ive seen before just escorted him out. Evoque however ive had a guy throw a drink on my and the bouncer said and i quote ‘i didnt see him do anything, but i’ll keep an eye on him’! i was soaking wet, drunk granted.. very drunk but clearly i was upsrt that i was soaked. but the SU promote evoque whose bouncers set people on fire and dont respect their customers.. but macs are in trouble for an article when theyve apologised. it just doesn’t make sense and i hope the ban is lifted soon, the staff are so nice in macs and they just dont deserve it

  7. As being part of Dance club, YBD have offered us so much from drink deals to rehearsal space.

    without the space Macs offered us we would of been unable to compete and win at the competitions as we get no funding from university for any equipment we need and we couldn’t be more grateful. We get out a lot more than they put in and that is why its a great opportunity for sponsorships and students.

    Leave the past behind.


  8. YBD are an honest fun and young promoting company for macs and they only promote the truth!!! This being super cheap drinks and entry specifically catered to students, having nights at macs such as ‘Monday madness’ with £1 drinks and £1.50 doubles etc. They are a hugely popular club in preston and it’s ridiculous this ban has not been lifted earlier because from what I’ve heard when people say they’re going to preston on a night out, it’s presumed, MACS without any second thought.

  9. The ban SHOULD be lifted! YBD provide great nights out and jobs for students and there are other clubs in Preston that have done worse!

  10. Half of you need to get real, obviously more than half of you will comment how great they are and how much you want to hang out of YBD’s ass…. Because they provide you with (minimal) funding and cheap alcohol (which is like paint stripper) doesn’t mean that they are a good company.

    The ban doesn’t mean that the su will be working with them. It just means students get the right to vote on the matter. Just as much as students voted on the matter a few years ago. Let’s face it they made a great decision.

    What an absolute farce Natasha Rose’s comments are… ‘Thought it was a laugh’ So calling women sluts and they should wear sandwich boards telling people they have just had sex is acceptable right? Just because they said sorry (of which i bet they didn’t mean) doesn’t make it ok. I wholeheartedly think that YBD is going down the pan hence coming crawling back out of the woodwork. For me it’s a NO vote.


    • Hi, just wanna say I was in Macs on thursday and again on Saturday and their house vodka is Smirnoff not exactly paint stripper, and both nights it was the busiest place in town 🙂

    • sorry are people not allowed a differing opinion? and i’m sure when you see someone walking home in heels and a dress at 10am you think oh she looks nice today i wonder why she is dressed up.. also I wouldn’t call Smirnoff Vodka ‘paintstripper’ but each to their own

    • Hi James, I actually think you’re the one who needs to get real. YBD wrote a few things on a peice of paper a few years ago. Think it’s time you stop wining now cause it’s people like you who annoy me. There’s bigger things to be crying about in the world. YBD have apologised, you should accept the apology and move on. I think Natasha Rose is entitled to her own opinion, and for you to penalise her for that, well your just a bit of a bully then. Some people have a sence of humour, take things with a pinch of salt. YBD are a great promotions company and I love macs and ships. I go on a regular basis and not once have I had any problems. And I think that’s the most important thing. They LOOK AFTER their customers.

  11. It’s mutually beneficial to work with YBD, they get business and we get sponsors. We shouldn’t shoot ourselves in the foot because of some politically correct idiots out there can’t look past a bad joke.

  12. I dont personally go to MACS but i love Ships and Giggles and BLITZ when it was open, Iv always found the staff to be nice and appropriate. Iv not read the ‘students guide to Preston’ but if the majority of students, knowing the reason for the ban. want them back then why not. Ships and Giggles is a great live music venue and i think these places need support to keep going! Such a shame about BLITZ.

  13. I do believe this to be the worst idea, that has ever come out of the Students Union. A promotion team that promotes homophobia and misogyny (dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women). I on many occasions have been approached by this so called Promotions Team and told lies about the club to get me in and when I turn them down politely to say I am going elsewhere be abused by the staff “Great Customer Service”. Coming from quite a strong background in night club Promotions I have never seen such a lame attempt. There guest appearance are always people who are know for utter shit or being “ladies men” or “promiscuous women”something I highly doubt would shine a good light on the Students Union. I say keep the ban also do we forget that time the club, underpaid or neglected to pay a bunch of our own students…. Really we are gunna work with this

    Dumb Ass Move if it goes Ahead

    • Do you have a recent example of them promoting “homophobia and misogyny (dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women)”

      You are off topic Attacking YBD becuase of their guest appearances ,
      1 its nothing to do with the refferendum,
      2 All night clubs get in similar acts (i.e dj’s, reality tv stars)
      3 Im pretty sure Coolio and DJ Jazzy Jeff were YBD acts , both were amazing to have in Preston

    • i’m sorry but where is this homophobia comment coming from? I’m sure our homosexual/bisexual staff and customers would have something to say about this comment

    • also if we are commenting on guest appearances, i’m afraid to say people like David and Victoria Beckham are usually busy when we try and book appearances.. our guests are usually similar to the ones that have been in other clubs in Preston such as reality stars but i suppose its okay because the other clubs aren’t YBD?

      • I was verbally attacked by your promo staff for saying I didnt want to go, they shouted after me “going to gay club obviously you batty boy” personally this isnt something I would want to hear, it didn’t bother me! However it may someone else. Also Natasha, if you read up on the news over the past few weeks you may find a lot of companies with gay and lesbian staff being done for homophobia.

  14. Also this #lifttheban nonsense needs to cease. Also to those of you who think its stupid that they cannot sponsor your society or sports team. Well believe it or not there are a hell of alot of other business who will sponsor you. Just because you want to go out and get rat arsed every night with cheap drinks and “poor alcohol” shows just how low you have sunk….

      • Hi,

        First of all I would like to say hello to Sophie as I am ‘kat’ that she talks about in her comment.

        Secondly, as you all would have guessed I am a ybd member of staff and I love the place! we work as a family unit and would never treat a customer the way that some people are commenting. Homophobia, sexism, discrimination are not tolerated as in any employment situation. I am amazed to hear about mr greys story about a member of our staff making a homophobic remark whilst working. As an experienced worker I would never of tolerated this and if heard would of dealt there and then and made the issue clear but I’m struggling to believe that it ever happened in the first place? and I’m sorry if it did but I can assure you the staff we have now would never make those kind of remarks as they are not tolerated, please feel free to come and discuss it with me if there is a problem, I’m outside macs from around 10pm every night except Tuesday and Sunday just ask for kitty 🙂

        Thirdly, Jenny I wear a vest top, a t-shirt and a hoodie for work AT THE SAME TIME !!! along with either black tights and a skirt or black jeans. Never have I ever been asked by a member of management to show off my ‘assets’ and I can assure you no member of staff ever would! Although go to Manchester and see what they wear in birdcage?? Leotard and nickers? seems funny that the only Jenny I can think of still currently works for us and is a student in Leeds. When did you work for us again?

        Lastly, we need to learn the saying forgive and forget. The article was 3 years ago and the ban is only affecting certain clubs. The ban was not made to stop people going to the club or made to make YBD loose custom. It was made because a article written for comedy purposes for the freshers was admittedly poorly written and caused offense but YBD HAVE APOLOGIZED! The ban is for societies to not be affiliated but if your not part of a club, like people have mentioned it doesn’t affect you?

        if you don’t like butter don’t put it on your toast… As with macs/ships if you don’t like us don’t come?!

        If we’re talking about things that are completely irrelevant I’ve forgiven a member of the current student union for something sent to me which I took offense to… Forgive and forget … Remember


  15. As the President of the Japanese Society @ UCLan, and a key campaigner in Lift The Ban. I strongly believe that YBD, since the incident 3 years ago have changed their way and are now a pro-active student supporting company, which intend (if allowed) to support student ran societies and sport teams. Not only do they support aports and societies, but they now provide a safe and fun environment for my fellow student cohort. Providing drinks discounts and a place where students can have fun (get drunk lol).

    I for sure will be voting in support of #Lift The Ban, and encourage all fellow students to use their voice and vote as well.

  16. I say #LiftTheBan Macs and Ships are mine and my flat mates favourite places to go on nights out! Much better than cameo or Evoque! The managers are always lovely, the staff are always lovely and the bouncers are a lot nicer than in any other club!

  17. Heres one for you,
    I dont enjoy Macs, I’m not a great fan of Ships, infact I dont really enjoy clubs at all, would much prefer a trip to the guild or source, however YBD do offer sports and societies a fantastic ammount of elp, and I dont think the ban is needed. all it seems to currently do is stop the University benefitting from a partnership with YBD, since they clearly still make money off of all the students that go there, the ban hurts us more than them, it seems senesless
    I say lift the ban, ~ and I probably still wont go to the clubs very often.

  18. I like how there is a general concensus all coming from people who work for Macs. Get real!

    I used to work for Macs – until I got told my tshirt (work tshirt) was too big (it was a size 8) and I should wear one of the vests they have, because ‘I have great assets’ and ‘it’ll draw more attention’ horrible and wreck less comments.

    As a member of the student community who doesn’t par take in any sports or societies I personally feel the ban should stay. It just feels like a desperate last ditch attempt to bail themselves out.


    • I’m sorry, but in three years of working at YBD never have I ever been told what to wear, I wear what I want and I don’t consider any of that sexually provocative or inappropriate. If anyone decides to wear a shorter skirt it’s their call, obviously as long as it’s appropriate, and that’s what the gender equality is about, if I’m not mistaken?

      Also I would like to believe that SU is a democratic organization, so #lifttheban, if students enjoy the venues, the sponsorship or any of our offers, we’ll be more than happy to see you. If you don’t like it, just ignore the YBD and places related to this company (I don’t see why, but everyone is entitled to an opinion).

      Lastly I just wanted to remind you, that the “Official Student Guide” was released years ago and most of the people who took part in the composing of it don’t even work for YBD any more.


    • Hi Jenny, I’ve only had one Jenny thats worked for me in the last 2 years, would you like to tell me who this manger was that wouldnt allow you to wear a shirt? MACs staff are allowed to wear what they feel comfortable in, in fact we allow our staff to bring In there own clothes so we can print YBD on them, I find it hard to believe you ever worked at MACs.

      • Jenny,

        They YBD management would never suggest or ask any member of staff to change their attire unless it wasn’t black. I personally would never support this kind of comment being made towards a member of staff. And yes i am female and part of the YBD/Macs team.

  19. It’s interesting how this article is the second most read story on the website with Coolio’s surprise sing song with UCLan students’ as the fifth most read one. If I remember right, YBD were responsible for bringing Coolio to Preston and it created such a buzz around the city, especially in the student community.

    Sure, YBD made a big mistake with their comments for which they held their hands up and apologised for but they don’t deserve the Spanish Inquisition.

    Whatever your opinion of YBD, Ships or Macs, the reason for lifting the ban should be done on merit and based on what they contribute to the student community which, judging by the comments from those who run societies and clubs, seems to be a lot, possibly more than many local and national businesses in Preston.


    • and 90% of YBD staff are students.. as staff we are not told we have to comment on this and it is simply a place of work. However, YBD staff are all very close knit and we enjoy where we work hence why we work there and all have strong opinions on this. myself especially who as a social sec (student and ybd staff) has to borrow a large amount of money for equipment when we could have been given it for free by YBD but because of the ban we were put at a disadvantage

  20. I am in favour for this ban being lifted. As treasurer for the pole society, I have witnessed first hand what a detrimental effect this ban can have on the student’s experiences within societies. Over summer, UCLan Pole Fitness was offered a substantial amount of money to buy all of the equipment we needed to continue as a society. Due to the ban, we were told that we had to refuse this, instead accepting a loan from the SU. This means that we are in debt to the student union and therefore have to charge our members higher prices for training.
    In addition, I feel that the venues are student led companies who are also for students. Taking the rest of the society to these venues on a night it is always a pleasure and we are always welcomed warmly.

  21. YBD is probably biggest family in the world. Every single staff member are trained to give the best customer service! Everyone is full of energy, ideas, excitment, that’s what keeps YBD going, and our dearest customers to come back. I have never seen such a good customer service nowhere else, cameo staff only smiles at you if you give them a tip, evoque stuff doesn’t smile at all. I’m sorry, but ships and giggles and macs are one of the busiest places in Preston, but we still smile, staff is always dancing, having a good time. And even bouncers everythere are from the same company, we have the best ones out the bunch, there is been numerous of times when I had to point out a fight for bouncers in cameo. That has never happened in macs! And I’ve been going there for almost two years! If cameo and evoque are working with SU, so should YBD! #LiftTheBan

  22. Hi there!

    You are all clearly trying to make some clear points here why you do not want the ban lifted and are going to vote against.
    However, you are forgetting that situations change and people make mistakes. Do note, when the flyer was first sent out (couple of years back) feminism and homophobia were not all over the media like they are now. That flyer was obviously a mistake, bad marketing move, but that was obviously due to the lack of knowledge on discrimination. People were trying to have a joke, without thinking of the consequences. Today, and you know this, everyone is much more careful and knowledgeable about race, gender and sexuality.
    Im not saying that what’s happened is right, but you need to realise time, people and businesses change.

    What the SU need to think about, is how to provide the best time & experience for the students of UCLan, including the thoughts of those who are in societies and those who just want to have a good time and have a dance.

    Note that MAC’s provides alcohol awareness information and training for the staff and looks after it’s customers. ‘Paint stripper’ is Smirnoff.

    From my point of view, as a student, marketing aficionado and event manager (as well as bartender of MACS for over 2 years), lifting the ban would be beneficial to all parties involved. Societies will get sponsorship and some deals, SU will be able to work alongside MACs (which opens a lot of doors for both in terms of student events, and MACs will not be a taboo on the student campus.

  23. I find it quite strange that people are using this forum as an excuse just to attack YBD! From what I am told, the company was started by a student for students!

    Now I don’t exactly spend every weekend in MACs or Ships&Giggles but personally I have never had any issue with the venue or staff. If the ban is lifted it gives students more options for help and funding towards their team/society which is the important thing here…to help the students!

    Regardless to the fact that it may be YBD staff commenting or just ‘haters’ making themselves feel better. We have to ask, would it benefit students and I personally feel that yes it would. Personally I am not involved in any teams or soceities because I just don’t care but I feel this could help those that are in teams/societies. So I say lift the ban!!


  24. To ‘Jenny’
    i don’t wear makeup and also too have great assets. All covered up. While in my time working there (over 2 years) i have not been asked once to change my top or wear more make up to appeal to the customers.
    Also, when did you work there?

  25. Just to make things clear:

    Lifting the ban will not make the SU have an automatic partnership with YBD.

    It will give student run groups (sports and societies) a chance to CHOOSE if they are sponsored.

    What different is it going to make to anyone else???
    If the ban is not lifted then YBD still continues its business, individual groups of friends can still go there. They just won’t sponsor clubs and societies.
    I really don’t understand why this referendum happening has anything to do with YBD business validity. In fact, I’m pretty sure by giving money to people who already drink in there (not going to increase their revenue significantly) they will lose money!! Which by the way, was decided BY THE STUDENTS and not YBD management (as they can’t influence a referendum).

    As a student running several groups I want my team to be able to CHOOSE where to drink.

    YBD have apologised, they were rude in the past, but it’s over you can see their apology here: uclanwomensrepemili.wordpress.com

    I’ll be the first to come down on them if they are homophobic/misogyinic or degrading. If you think they are then back up your claims with evidence!

    I think people need to do their research before commenting on this with accusations and statisics they can’t back up.

  26. tbh macs aint my scene, more of a warehouse kinda girl but as a member of different societies in the uni i think the comittee should be able to choose to associate and be sponsored by ybd if they want, the article was pretty shitty and i found it really offensive but its been like 3 years now? they’ve not done anything else since and have apologised.. ive been walking through town to work before past macs and the staff have asked me to come in (selling tickets) and ive just said no macs is shit lol and theyre always dead cool about it and have a laugh with me, 2 girls in particularly i think her name is kat and anabelle (it was a few months back) stood out once they were pretty persuasive but not overbearing, just stood and had a chat with me before work and im not gonna lie they put a smile on my face after a pretty shitty day. that stuck with me even if it was a while a go so i dont get why people are slating their staff so much. there just doing a job guys.. but i have been to wheres mavis at ships a few times and reckless when it was at blitz and they were amazing

  27. these comments seem like a personal vendetta against macs now? i hate macs, i hate ships, i used to go to blitz every now and again. i hate preston nightlife its all shit. i think everywhere is just shit places for a night out but thats just my opinion (from london..) i dont think banning societies and sports from using them at their own discretion is the way to go! im not part of any sports because im lazy and im a third year now so theres not much point but if i was i wouldnt wanna be restricted like it sounds like some people have been just because people seem to have what looks like really petty issues with macs like ‘paint stripper vodka’ (hav you ever tasted warehouses.. lol) and everywhere does cheap codka except evoque who will charge you about a tenner for a single, no mixer, i’m not a cheapscate but im a student and i dont have £100 to spend on a night out and an article written yearssss ago

  28. As a student and someone who promotes for YBD I feel the ban should be lifted as it has negative effects for students especially sport societies who wish to enjoy their social nights working with MACs. I feel like YBD has the right as well as every other club/bar in Preston to allow societies to work with them as it can only bring good to both parties.

    An apology has been issued and surely it can be accepted as it was for something that happened 2 years ago which obviously has had detrimental effects. I’m a third year student and probably won’t feel the effects if the ban does get lifted but it would provide a better future for YBD and students at UCLAN and I think everyone deserves that!

    YBD was made by students FOR students. Forget the past, lift the ban.

  29. Having read through the comments and the article, I just wanted to echo what Emili, Natasha Rose and Nadia have said. (amongst other comments)

    I don’t really see how keeping the ban in place is doing anything but potentially ‘hurt’ students. Students are still going in MACS/Ships and Giggles, all lifting the ban will do is give us (the students) the choice wether to use them as a place for ‘official’ socials / potentially open societies/clubs up to more sponsorship.

    Yes they may have made a big mistake in publishing/distributing the flyer but that was in 2012…they have apoligised and in all honesty was it worse than what other clubs have said /done in the past and not received a ban for? It’s besides the point now anyway.
    I have never expeirenced any homophobic,degrading or misogyinic events/comments etc within either Macs or Ships and Giggles, in fact the opposite, The bouncers and Colin seem to have a zero tolerance policy. I could argue that other clubs I have been in, that having people grab me or make comments are somewhat the norm….again it’s really besides the point and has nothing to do with wether a ban should be in place or not.

    I’m glad there is going to be a referrendum which will allow students to vote on whether they think the ban should be lifted, I know I’ll be voting YES to lifting the ban.

  30. This ban should of never ever been put in place!!! What an absolute joke.. Macs has to be one of the busiest clubs in town and has a very good reputation due to the good man that is “Andy Mac” a very respectable guy who has a very respectable and thriving business.. Its all abit pathetic really.. If i was a student(which im not) and someone said to me “oh your not allowed to work for that club as all uni students are banned from working for them” straightaway i would tell them to jog on.. At the end of the day students are atudents… They do what the want, when they want, how they want!! Just lift this ban and give up with all this pathetic rubbish!!!!!!

  31. After working for Macs/ YBD for the past 5 years and now being a supervisor of the venue i have never once experienced a member of staff being asked to wear ‘more revealing’ clothes nor have i ever asked staff to change there uniform as they have ‘great assets’ unfortunately Jenni i do not remember these said incidents and i personally apologise for you feeling this way.

    As a lot of you know Macs is a student run company for the students and offers great deals for the locals and the student population throughout the week. They have brought some amazing acts to Preston, does anyone remember the gangster paradise video with the Uclan students?
    YBD have apologised numerous times and are doing everything they can to prove that was a bad marketing idea and it was mistake and was not meant to offend any student or person. Does this mean that this grudge has to continue for another year? Should this have to affect sports and social teams getting funding or having a place to practice or even attending a venue that they actually want to?…. I’m not saying that YBD was right to produce the article but they have accepted there wrong doings, held their hands up and apologised. Considering other venues have made newspapers and viral videos not exactly representing themselves in a great light means that YBD seems to be taking a harder punishment.

    i think that students should have the right to their own opinions have the option to go to one of the YBD affiliated venues whether that be Ships or Macs, they should have the options who sponsors them and where they can have socials.

    With regards to the ‘paint stripper vodka’ comment our house vodka is Smirnoff if you wish to drink a more premium brand then that is also available upon request at the bar.

    I hope that people actually take the time to form a logical opinion and don’t just jump on the band wagon and think that YBD are some form of enemy. As i said its a student run company for the students.

  32. MACs is a great night out with two dance floors of great music to suit everyone’s taste. Its cheap as fuhhh for drink and we all students so every penny counts when it comes to getting drunk.. #LiftTheBan #GLUCK

  33. Just for clarification… This publication was published in 2012. A motion was brought to the annual members meeting, and it passed. Meaning the SU was subjected to impose a ban on creating a partnership with any YBD venue.

    Since then, Myself and other officers have met with members of the YBD management and discussed different options around the ban. Because students voted on this motion at the AMM it becomes policy, and you can’t lapse policy easily, – it’s just not that simple. You either have to ride it out, or trigger a referendum – which has happened and it’s great news as it’s the first of it’s kind to happen at UCLan. – I have a copy of the official apology from YBD and will happily show anyone who wishes to see it.

    I’m encouraging people reading the article, and commenting to get involved in the referendum and to truly have your say in relation to lifting the ban. That way we can be sure democracy has taken it’s place and students have voiced their opinion. Ultimately giving the power back to students.

    Understandably, some people aren’t happy with Macs, with Ships etc and they are entirely allowed an opinion. To those people who don’t want the ban to be lifted and want to start a ‘NO’ campaign please email me or get in touch and i can assist you with some information. – SUpresident@uclan.ac.uk – That is not me encouraging a no campaign, it’s me enlightening students how to go about it. (i’m for the referendum before someone kicks off)

    Hope everyone get’s involved 🙂


    • I know you’re saying your for the referendum and course you are cause t gives the su publicity.. But why are you only asking the no campaign to get involved. My friend have spoken to your loads of times and you’ve made it well clear you don’t like macs, seem as bit biased.

      • we can have fair representation then.

        The yes side were formed from the start as we were the ones calling the referendum. The SU has to give the no side a chance to form too. Lee is just voicing that!

        I want the No side too, and I called the referendum.
        Don’t read into owt x

  34. Despite being a recent YBD staff member, my view is not bias. I will speak as a Student of UCLan and not as a member of staff.

    From my first year in Preston I lived for the ‘3 in a bed’ night out on Saturdays, it was affordable and they’ve always had good deals for Students. Where else can you get £1 drinks all night on a Thursday and good music?

    I feel it’s unfair this ban has gone this long that, Students and Societies, are only getting their say now and have been missing out on these great deals. The main aim of YBD as whole is to ensure Students have the best night out possible.

    By one of YBD’s venues being situated on campus and being opened from 12 every day, I feel that it’s unfair that Students aren’t being able to take advantage of this. Ships isn’t just a pub or pre drinks bar, there’s a lot more things going on to give Students the opportunity to take their mind off studies and be able chill. Not only Societies are affected by this ban but all Students. YBD have formally apologised and have agreed they were wrong, why should the SU ban them from helping UCLan Societies?

    Why should you support this ban, do you realise Students are poor? Why turn away funding?


    Now, the only thing I have to point out from being a member of staff and regarding Jenni’s comment on uniform is that, I am promo and shot girl and I have never been told what to wear than ‘wrap up warm’. I can buy what I want and ask YBD to print it.

  35. It’s great to see everyone getting involved and expressing their views about the referendum.

    This is exactly the reason I wrote the piece. Those of you who have commented – both for and against – are welcome to join me on a live radio show to debate the pros and cons of lifting the ban.

    If you’re interested contact me via:

  36. I can’t believe the ban hasn’t been lifted earlier! YBD are the most fun and hard working promotions company I’ve ever known! they offer great cheap deals and the staff are always really friendly! when I go out I always go to Ships and Macs as I’m always guaranteed a good and cheap night!

    as a student myself I want to spend as little as I can when I go out but still get drunk and YBD definitely gives you that opportunity!

    So I say forget the past and #LiftTheBan

  37. Hi Ellis,

    There’s a few things i’d like to clear up:

    1) Like many other people, i don’t like Macs or Ships. It’s not my taste. I prefer different scenes.
    2) There’s no bias about it, there’s a lot of people in this thread who are for the ban, and who will be genuinely leading a Yes campaign for the ban to be lifted. Some people may fear if they voice a no opinion that they will become ambushed by comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If i didn’t give people the option to run a ‘NO’ campaign the bias would sit on the ‘YES’ vote. It’s only fair.
    3) The SU would be getting publicity anyhow regardless of a comment thread, since it derives from a union ban that was formed from policy in 2012 from the annual members meeting & also because it’s part of the SU leadership race where the referendum will actually take place. I’m for the referendum, because as President, it’s my duty to ensure student’s voices are being listened too. It wouldn’t be democracy – It would be a dictatorship.



  38. Any encounter I have had with folk in YBD gear they have always came across stuck-up and lacked basic skills of working with people. The latest is when I asked two lovely females about what they were trying to sell and they gave me the dirtiest look and just walked away. Horrible.

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